Lula at climate summit: US might not be gone for good

By Sara Schonhardt | 11/20/2025 12:08 PM EST

Brazil’s leader said he hopes “one day to convince the president of the United States that the climate crisis is serious” — and to join a phase-out of fossil fuels.

Brazil President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva speaks while pointing up with finger.

Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva speaks during a news conference late Wednesday at the COP30 climate summit in Belém, Brazil. Andre Penner/AP

BELÉM, Brazil — Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva called late Wednesday for a global winding-down of fossil fuels — and said he hoped to someday get the U.S. behind it.

“We must reduce greenhouse gas emissions. If fossil fuels emit too much, we must begin thinking about how to live without them,” Lula said in Portuguese from the halls of the two-week COP30 climate summit, which is due to end Friday.

His comments come as talks in this city on the edge of the Amazon speed toward a conclusion, with ministers working late into the night to agree on an outcome.

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Lula has been backing a “road map” for phasing down oil, gas and coal that has earned the endorsement of dozens of countries, making it one of the more substantial and probably divisive issues of these negotiations. But the United States, the world’s largest oil and gas producer, is skipping the talks, and President Donald Trump has been pursuing deals to expand America’s fuel exports.

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